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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://totalcandor.com/blog/2009/08/bank-fees-and-billing-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-146330</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eden: What an ordeal!  I am sure on an hourly basis, you&#039;re probably past the point where it would have been profitable (with perfect information about how this would turn out) to spend all this time (not to mention anguish). On the other hand, past time investments are sunk - you&#039;ll never get them back. Short of one last ditch effort via a written letter to someone at corporate headquarters (not the customer service department, but a senior level executive who supervises customer service), I&#039;d be done.  But, if you haven&#039;t tried that, it could be worth a shot.

Then, go on with your life.

When companies have dealt with me in the past like that (rare, but it does happen), I just don&#039;t use them anymore and bad-mouth to others as appropriate. I know it&#039;s cost them more than any reasonable corrective action they could have taken. (It&#039;s a small, albeit, real comfort.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eden: What an ordeal!  I am sure on an hourly basis, you&#8217;re probably past the point where it would have been profitable (with perfect information about how this would turn out) to spend all this time (not to mention anguish). On the other hand, past time investments are sunk &#8211; you&#8217;ll never get them back. Short of one last ditch effort via a written letter to someone at corporate headquarters (not the customer service department, but a senior level executive who supervises customer service), I&#8217;d be done.  But, if you haven&#8217;t tried that, it could be worth a shot.</p>
<p>Then, go on with your life.</p>
<p>When companies have dealt with me in the past like that (rare, but it does happen), I just don&#8217;t use them anymore and bad-mouth to others as appropriate. I know it&#8217;s cost them more than any reasonable corrective action they could have taken. (It&#8217;s a small, albeit, real comfort.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eden</title>
		<link>http://totalcandor.com/blog/2009/08/bank-fees-and-billing-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-146160</link>
		<dc:creator>Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not had a problem with a bank per se, but I have spent 16 months of my life trying to get reimbursed for $593 in expenses from Northwest Airlines. I went on a family trip to Denmark in May 2008 with 15 members of my family for 12 days and we all traveled with just carry-on luggage (it makes a group our size faster and more portable than dealing with lots of luggage). 

My brother-in-law and I were near the end of the line boarding the plane and the plane&#039;s overhead bins were full so a NWA ticket agent took our carry-on luggage off the flight and did not give us a claim ticket or tracking number for the luggage despite our attempts to get one. Neither would they gate check the luggage. Bye, bye luggage. We spent nine days of a 12-day trip tracking down our luggage (thank you to my brother who had an iPhone). We spent hours each day talking to Northwest Airlines, sending emails and finally realized they had no idea where our luggage was and would do nothing to help us--at least the unempowered minions in their customer service department. 

We then spent hours tracking down that one lone NWA ticket agent who had taken our luggage off our flight since he was the only person in the universe who had any idea what had happened to it. 

Well, we finally reached him after we left numerous voicemails and he proceeded to scream at us and call us liars. (I still am unclear why he used that label.) Within two hours he had located our luggage--in Amsterdam where he sent it when he took it off our flight. 

We spent four years planning for this trip and it really was a lovely, wonderful experience. But because we only had carry-on luggage and we were in a foreign country we had to replace clothing, toiletries, etc for nine of those 12 days to the tune of $593. That is what we want back from Northwest Airlines. I&#039;ve called them on the phone and sent over 40 emails the last 16 months trying to get refunded for those expenses. Our NWA flight connected with an IcelandAir flight that took us to Copenhagen, Denmark so there standard reply has been that IcelandAir is responsible according to an interline air agreement for any reimbursements of our luggage. Neither airline has reimbursed us. At this point I have begun to wonder, am I spending too much time and energy trying to recoup that money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not had a problem with a bank per se, but I have spent 16 months of my life trying to get reimbursed for $593 in expenses from Northwest Airlines. I went on a family trip to Denmark in May 2008 with 15 members of my family for 12 days and we all traveled with just carry-on luggage (it makes a group our size faster and more portable than dealing with lots of luggage). </p>
<p>My brother-in-law and I were near the end of the line boarding the plane and the plane&#8217;s overhead bins were full so a NWA ticket agent took our carry-on luggage off the flight and did not give us a claim ticket or tracking number for the luggage despite our attempts to get one. Neither would they gate check the luggage. Bye, bye luggage. We spent nine days of a 12-day trip tracking down our luggage (thank you to my brother who had an iPhone). We spent hours each day talking to Northwest Airlines, sending emails and finally realized they had no idea where our luggage was and would do nothing to help us&#8211;at least the unempowered minions in their customer service department. </p>
<p>We then spent hours tracking down that one lone NWA ticket agent who had taken our luggage off our flight since he was the only person in the universe who had any idea what had happened to it. </p>
<p>Well, we finally reached him after we left numerous voicemails and he proceeded to scream at us and call us liars. (I still am unclear why he used that label.) Within two hours he had located our luggage&#8211;in Amsterdam where he sent it when he took it off our flight. </p>
<p>We spent four years planning for this trip and it really was a lovely, wonderful experience. But because we only had carry-on luggage and we were in a foreign country we had to replace clothing, toiletries, etc for nine of those 12 days to the tune of $593. That is what we want back from Northwest Airlines. I&#8217;ve called them on the phone and sent over 40 emails the last 16 months trying to get refunded for those expenses. Our NWA flight connected with an IcelandAir flight that took us to Copenhagen, Denmark so there standard reply has been that IcelandAir is responsible according to an interline air agreement for any reimbursements of our luggage. Neither airline has reimbursed us. At this point I have begun to wonder, am I spending too much time and energy trying to recoup that money?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim B Smith: Thanks for stopping by and adding your wisdom.  So  the 80-20 rule (modified slightly) applies in all sorts of interesting places, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim B Smith: Thanks for stopping by and adding your wisdom.  So  the 80-20 rule (modified slightly) applies in all sorts of interesting places, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim B Smith</title>
		<link>http://totalcandor.com/blog/2009/08/bank-fees-and-billing-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-145933</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim B Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head. Banks figured out how to charge us more fees so they could make a living. 

But the really interesting part is that the bank really isn&#039;t making money off of 75% of Americans. They make 3/4 of their income off of the 25% of the population that overdrafts their accounts. Some people are paying quite a bit for &quot;free checking&quot;, and it would be a shame to do so because of an error the bank made.

Good for you for taking the time to get those fees reversed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head. Banks figured out how to charge us more fees so they could make a living. </p>
<p>But the really interesting part is that the bank really isn&#8217;t making money off of 75% of Americans. They make 3/4 of their income off of the 25% of the population that overdrafts their accounts. Some people are paying quite a bit for &#8220;free checking&#8221;, and it would be a shame to do so because of an error the bank made.</p>
<p>Good for you for taking the time to get those fees reversed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffrey: Thanks for your thoughts and sharing your experiences. I agree you deserved $150, but I don&#039;t think either one of us was surprised at how that story ended.

Liz Pulliam Weston writes an excellent article about the advantages of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/BetterBanking/DitchYourBankForACreditUnion.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;credit union over a bank&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;ve not personally used a credit union, as my banking needs have primarily been satisfied by online providers and I&#039;ve been very happy with the results.

The only thing I could come up with as a potential advantage of a bank over a credit union is the relative proximity of more banks, especially if you travel and need access to branches.  It&#039;s a stretch, given that it&#039;s 2009, however.

Nonetheless, it still makes sense to compare rates and potential fees; just be sure to include multiple credit unions in your search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffrey: Thanks for your thoughts and sharing your experiences. I agree you deserved $150, but I don&#8217;t think either one of us was surprised at how that story ended.</p>
<p>Liz Pulliam Weston writes an excellent article about the advantages of a <a href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/BetterBanking/DitchYourBankForACreditUnion.aspx" rel="nofollow">credit union over a bank</a>.  I&#8217;ve not personally used a credit union, as my banking needs have primarily been satisfied by online providers and I&#8217;ve been very happy with the results.</p>
<p>The only thing I could come up with as a potential advantage of a bank over a credit union is the relative proximity of more banks, especially if you travel and need access to branches.  It&#8217;s a stretch, given that it&#8217;s 2009, however.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, it still makes sense to compare rates and potential fees; just be sure to include multiple credit unions in your search.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Rupertus</title>
		<link>http://totalcandor.com/blog/2009/08/bank-fees-and-billing-errors/comment-page-1/#comment-145108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Rupertus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie and I started using a credit union a couple of years ago and I couldn&#039;t be happier.

Here&#039;s what brought on the switch:

I had $75 in overdraft charges on my checking account at Big Bank. For starters, it was because of 3 transactions totaling $7.  $75 for $7 sounds a bit excessive. Second of all, it was because a teller had deposited my paycheck into my savings account instead of my checking, something I never do, and had not asked her to do.  

It took me over 2 hours of arguing to get them to refund me the $75 but they eventually did, but then I decided to get smart.  I told them I wanted $150 given to me.  When they asked me why, here&#039;s the explanation I gave them (I had 2 hours of waiting and arguing to put this logic together):

Had the mistake been mine, I would have been charged $75 for the inconvenience I caused the bank.  In this case, the bank was wrong and was an inconvenience to me, so I wanted to charge them the same $75 they were oh-so-willing to charge me.  They owed me my original $75 they had erroneously charged me, plus $75 on top of that.  They didn&#039;t go for it, so I withdrew all my money right then and there.  

Working with a credit union has been wonderful.  Higher interest rates on savings (very close to ING rates), lower rates on loans, and they are invested, and invest, in the community.  I&#039;ve been looking for a reason that banks might be any better than credit unions, but no one, not even a bank, has been able to give me any reason. Michael, do you know in what instance the services of a bank would be preferable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie and I started using a credit union a couple of years ago and I couldn&#8217;t be happier.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what brought on the switch:</p>
<p>I had $75 in overdraft charges on my checking account at Big Bank. For starters, it was because of 3 transactions totaling $7.  $75 for $7 sounds a bit excessive. Second of all, it was because a teller had deposited my paycheck into my savings account instead of my checking, something I never do, and had not asked her to do.  </p>
<p>It took me over 2 hours of arguing to get them to refund me the $75 but they eventually did, but then I decided to get smart.  I told them I wanted $150 given to me.  When they asked me why, here&#8217;s the explanation I gave them (I had 2 hours of waiting and arguing to put this logic together):</p>
<p>Had the mistake been mine, I would have been charged $75 for the inconvenience I caused the bank.  In this case, the bank was wrong and was an inconvenience to me, so I wanted to charge them the same $75 they were oh-so-willing to charge me.  They owed me my original $75 they had erroneously charged me, plus $75 on top of that.  They didn&#8217;t go for it, so I withdrew all my money right then and there.  </p>
<p>Working with a credit union has been wonderful.  Higher interest rates on savings (very close to ING rates), lower rates on loans, and they are invested, and invest, in the community.  I&#8217;ve been looking for a reason that banks might be any better than credit unions, but no one, not even a bank, has been able to give me any reason. Michael, do you know in what instance the services of a bank would be preferable?</p>
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